Get Comfortable Talking MONEY

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Kim and Rog, kick off the podcast by delving into the complexities surrounding money conversations in relationships. Sharing their personal experiences, they highlight the transformative power of teamwork when managing financial matters.

Recognising that money talks often induce stress, Rog explains that his stress used to be rooted in the uncertainty about the future. They discuss how each partner may have different perspectives on future planning and money, shaped by their individual personalities, attitudes, or backgrounds. However, they reassure listeners that it’s entirely normal to feel discomfort during these talks – acknowledging this is the first step towards progress.

Kim takes listeners on a deeper journey into how upbringing influences our attitudes towards money. She identifies several scenarios, from experiencing financial hardship that can lead to a scarcity mindset, to equating money with success or viewing money as a source of power. She touches on how the normalization of significant debt, financial secrecy, and lack of budgeting could also influence our engagement in adult money conversations.

The hosts believes that people often enter relationships with varying values about money, usually derived from their upbringing. This divergence can lead to conflict, making conversations about money challenging. However, Kim and Rog suggest the remedy lies in understanding our individual beliefs about money and forging shared financial values for the relationship.

Unravelling Power Dynamics and Communication Struggles

The Hosts then take a deep dive into the power dynamics and communication issues that often arise during couples’ financial discussions. Kim and Rog identify the fear of judgment, especially when there’s an imbalance in financial literacy, as a recurring concern. They relate this to a lack of formal financial education in our formative years.

Using their personal experience as a backdrop, Kim and Rog explore how a discrepancy in financial literacy can lead to feelings of inadequacy on one side and frustration on the other, resulting in tension and unresolved financial discussions. They caution listeners that misunderstandings and communication barriers can gradually foster an adversarial perspective on spending.

In addition, they shed light on how life stages and personal growth influence money matters. They note that as couples start taking on more responsibilities, like mortgages and children, the feeling of financial freedom can feel increasingly constricted, leading to potential conflicts.

Fostering Trust, Aligning Values, Identifying your Dreams and Enhancing Financial Literacy

The final part of the podcast navigates their approach to tackling financial conversations: discussing what really matters in life (values), talking about dreams, and upskilling in terms of money knowledge.

The critical first step towards effective money conversations in relationships – cultivating trust. They underscore the importance of patience, active listening, and maintaining a non-judgmental approach during these discussions. The hosts encourage listeners to explore their partners’ financial upbringing and beliefs, while also sharing their own. Acknowledging and validating emotions that arise during these conversations, such as fear or overwhelm, is another key aspect. Kim and Rog aim to create an open and inquisitive dialogue, showcasing that discussions about money need not be intimidating. The overarching goal is to foster a safe, judgment-free space for these critical discussions.

Step 2 involves discussing what matters most to you in life as a way for couples to identify their values. These act as guidelines helping to determine if they are moving in the right direction. Kim and Rog liken a relationship to a business venture where resources, including money, are limited. By articulating what brings each partner joy, meaning, and purpose, couples can determine their shared values and priorities. This crucial step aids in aligning their goals and deciding where to allocate resources.

For Step 3, they discuss the importance of understanding dreams and using visualisation to understand what your dream life looks like. Illustrating with their personal dream of owning a hobby farm and spending weekends in the countryside, Kim and Rog urge listeners to have similar conversations about their dreams with their partners. By aligning dreams with values, partners can collaboratively work towards shared aspirations.

The final step, Step 4, encourages both partners to enhance their financial literacy. They highlight that education is a vital tool in overcoming knowledge gaps and feelings of shame related to financial matters.